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COMMUTER RAIL COMMITTEE
Minutes for Monday, June 30, 2008
1. Call to Order
Mr. Fred Mills, Vice-Chair, called the meeting to order at 7:04 p.m.
Present: Fred Mills, Urmesh Shah, Linda Baker, John Paul Burnett, Bartley Butler, James
Day, David Grimes, Joyce Hammill, Keath Hance, John Leeper, Michael Muhm, Kristen
O'Regan, and Paul Vigiletti.
Absent: John Gooding, Clif Davis, Rich Hendler, Roger Nelson
Staff: Kelly Cooper, Ron Ruthven
2. Approval of June 2, 2008 minutes
John Leeper made the motion to approve the minutes for June 2, 2008. James Day
seconded the motion. Motion approved.
3. Updates from subcommittees.
a. Public Information: Urmesh Shah reported that 115 citizens attended the three public
meetings held June 19, June 24 and June 25. The comments are attached to the
June 30 packet and have been organized by subcommittee. The general consensus
was that citizens still do not know about the commuter rail and information must
continue through a variety of avenues.
Paul Vigiletti spoke to the importance of the silent generation in the public meetings.
Fred Mills spoke to subcommittees providing responses to the questions and
comments from the public meetings with one of three responses, first provide an
answer, second list it as a misconception or rumor and last as something that is still
being researched.
b. Station Impact: Fred Mills provided an update of this subcommittee's work including
their visit to CenterPort Saturday June, 28, 2008.
Paul Vigiletti passed around copies of photos taken for everyone to view.
John Paul Burnett indicated that noise of trains was very minimal
Fred Mills also updated the committee regarding the subcommittee's investigation
into the McCain site as a possible drilling site for Chesapeake or XTO. The
committee is still evaluating this and the effects this has on a train station at this
location.
John Leeper brought up the land development code requirement for drilling to be
1,000 feet from residential, confirmed by Ron Ruthven.
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Based on his work over the last 4 months, Mike Muhm indicated he too thought the
land to have been purchased by Chesapeake.
Ron Ruthven shared information requested by the committee regarding the site and
presented a packet of information to each of the subcommittee chairs (to be
attached) specifically: The site under consideration is 13.2 acres, 30% is in
floodplain and will require significant engineering. There are 80 trees on the
property over 3 caliper inches and within a one mile radius of the site there are
approximately 2,000 housing units, 6,000 in population. The Timarron homes are
the closest to the site location.
c. Traffic -Chair David Grimes provided an update of this subcommittee's work. The
committee has received good information from staff and is continuing to study the
following items: traffic volume, traffic flow, side street issues, ancillary destinations,
and feeder system.
The committee members asked several questions related to the SH26 project, how
much time it takes to load and unload the train and how that would affect traffic, if
the platform is approximately 150 feet from the crossing will the gates be down while
the train is loading and unloading.
Joyce Hammill indicated she thought the SH26 construction included dual left turn
lanes at John McCain which would alleviate some traffic congestion, but she would
verify.
Bart Butler questioned who has the authority to determine train speed through
Colleyville, can the City have some input.
John Leeper indicated the Federal Railroad Commission sets the speed. These
tracks are going to be designated a Class 4, for track safety which will allow up to 79
mph. The railroad will decide, based on scheduling, the train speeds.
John Gooding submitted the following question for the committee to respond to: How
much property does the City have that abuts up to the 3.5 mile stretch of Railroad
Right of Way (ROW) and how much property is privately owned. The committee
agreed that Ron Ruthven or Steve Chutchian could assist with this.
d. Safety and Security: John Leeper provided an update of this subcommittee's work.
This subcommittee is continuing to study six areas: Railroad operations which
include equipment and track structure, trespasser safety, grade crossing safety, train
derailment response, environmental impact and station operation. The
subcommittee is waiting on information from The T.
The committee discussed ridership, crime, questions regarding major incidents.
Urmesh Shah suggested that the committee look for train statistics from other
stations.
John Gooding submitted the following question for the committee to respond to: How
long are the crossing arms going to be down and block traffic. After discussion, the
traffic subcommittee will take this question.
e. Finance: Mike Muhm provided an update of this subcommittee's work. The
committee is researching estimated costs and available funding. Mike reported the
City is at the maximum capacity on sales tax with '/2 cent going to CEDC, '/z cent to
CCCPD and 1 cent to general fund. It wasn't promising the legislature would raise
the maximum. Mike also presented the cost to fund a station at approximately one
million could not come from a property tax increase as it would create a roll back
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situation similar to what Bedford experienced a couple of years ago. Another option
would be to consider some other avenue in the current budget, such as reducing
services to absorb the cost for the train station.
The committee discussed the option of receiving money from the gas companies
such as mineral rights. Mike indicated this was not a good source of income as after
2-4 years it drops off substantially.
Mike Muhm also discussed costs of equipment for local transportation options,
transporting citizens to other stations. For example a 40 passenger shuttle is
approximately $100,000 with a life of 10-12 years.
Urmesh Shah asked about property value research and that The T had some
information regarding this on their website.
Linda Baker questioned when the committee would be receiving the subcommittee
minutes and was concerned that information was being presented from those
minutes during the public meetings. Staff responded that the minutes must first be
approved by the subcommittee prior to being released and would be part of the next
packet. The information being released in the public meetings is the information
approved by the committee at the June 2, 2008 meeting.
Fred Mills asked if he could send, via email to the subcommittee, the minutes he
prepared for their review. Staff replied that would be a violation, according to the
City Attorney, of the Open Meetings Act and that all items should be submitted to the
subcommittees via staff.
4. Discuss next meeting dates
Vice Chair Fred Mills stated the next committee meeting is July 14, 2008, 7:00 p.m. and
would include a breakout for the subcommittees. Meetings are also scheduled for July
28, and August 1, 2008. August 19, 2008 the Committee Chair plans to provide an
update to City Council. Everyone able should plan to attend, subcommittee chairs if at
all possible. This update will be placed on the Pre Council Agenda which begins at 5:30
p.m. City Hall, third floor in the Executive Conference room.
5. Discuss project timeline for completion of research, analysis of information and report to
Council.
Fred Mills provided everyone with a copy of the timeline and highlighted the changes as
listed according to the dates mentioned above.
6. Introduction of the straw-man presentation format
Fred Mills provided copies and introduced everyone to the straw-man presentation
format. Fred Mills stated this is a draft and open to change but that all the reports from
the subcommittee should be in the same format. The committee should review and
discuss changes at the next meeting.
7. Adjournment
There being no further business to discuss, David Grimes made a motion to adjourn,
seconded by Paul Vigelitti. The motion was approved and the meeting adjourned at
9:06 p.m.
Minutes taken and prepared by Kelly Cooper.